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Old March 31st, 2013
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Hi, I've been doing foreskin restoration for about 2 months (started February 1st, 2013). Originally I purchased a TLC Tugger last year, but after gaining about 2-3mm, I decided to go for a circumcision revision surgery to remove skin tags. As such, I took 4 months to fully recover (had persisting edema) and am re-starting FR; all previous gains were lost in the revision surgery... Now, in just two months I've gone from a CL-1 to a CL-2 (maybe a little more), and if I progress like this I think I'll hit CL-3 by the end of April. I do have a few questions...

1.) Is there an optimal tension-rest time ratio I should be following? E.g. If I tugged for a total of 8/24 hours, would this be less or more efficient than tugging 16/24 hours?

2.) I have some hair creeping up the underside of my shaft that reaches all the way to my circ scar (about 2/3 up the penis). So far I've been plucking which gets tiresome since it has to be done every few days... has anyone had success using laser treatments to 'permanently' remove the hair?

3.) By the end of my restoration, I want to achieve CL-8 (or CL-9 at the MOST). Basically I want 'some' degree of flaccid overhang, but not too much. Is this attainable using only the original TLC Tugger? I'm not particular about stretching the inner skin, so I won't be needing the TLC-X I think.

4.) How long after achieving full coverage does it take for keratinization to go away completely to give you a smooth shiny glans? Obviously it depends on the level of keratinization, but if anyone can give me their own time frames I'll take them as motivation/encouragement.

I probably have more questions but I can't think of them at the moment... thanks for any and all feedback :)
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Old March 31st, 2013
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1. If there is, no one here, and no one anywhere for that matter, knows what it would be. Any optimum for you would inevitably be different for many others due to individual variation. We are pioneers, so we stand "over here", and the scientific method stands "over there", meaning there isn't anything established to reflect your efforts against. Here, there's only anecdote, some of it suspicious, let's say. Otherwise, do what seems to work; this means experiment. You will most likely find yourself changing routines (even methods) from time to time at any rate. This whole process takes years, so there will be some "average" you will find for yourself over that time. This isn't what you are asking for here, but it will be the best you will find.

2. No reason laser treatment won't work. The only difficulty you might find is talking a plastic surgeon (best provider to chose for this) into doing it. I would think you'd find one pretty quickly; easily done, and there is some merit to it obvious to the provider. Some of us have plucked over time, and discovered that the hairs do grow in finer each time, with some to many follicles eventually dying. (By the way, the term "hair creep" technically refers to the myth that expanded skin will reproduce hair follicles. It won't. It can't, and this is where we CAN refer to the literature on skin expansion).

3. Any device or method will work. Just a matter of what you can live with, day, day out, over the years. Again, because of the time involved, you will be more than able to adjust your efforts to your goal.

4. Also again, one individual's experience won't necessarily be another's. It will happen, to the degree it happens (variation in the natural tissue presentation vs any past damage to the glans tissue), when it happens. It will happen with coverage, of course, and in my experience it was gradual, but then I didn't have much keratinization to begin with.

5. We don't "stretch" skin, we expand skin over time by stimulating increased cell division, through the application of tension cycles, beyond the usual maintenance rate. Understanding this will answer some of the other inevitable questions.
Thanks for answering my queries. I figured some of my questions couldn't be answered due to everyone being different and this not being backed by science...

As for the keratinization thing, I was asking if anyone could share how long it took THEM for it to go away, just to give me some motivation.

As for the laser hair treatment, I've already scouted out a product for use in the home (no specialist required) called the TRIA Hair Removal Laser that looks promising. I was skeptical about whether or not laser treatments in general can permanently eliminate hair, so I wondered if anyone had experience with this before I go spend $450-500 on it. Thanks again.
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I would advise you to do the homework on home products (all the tech info you can find, reviews that are impartial if there are any, etc); unclear to me if any of that type work at all, let alone well enough to buy one. It takes a certain level of instrument power to do what you want, not to mention the minimal training in how to focus it, where to focus to focus it, that sort of thing.
Yeah I'm definitely going to do some research... apparently the TRIA has been FDA approved, but I've read both good and bad reviews. Apparently the TRIA works only on light skin with dark hair; it doesn't work on medium-light hair on dark skin. If I can, I want to avoid spending hundred's to thousands of dollars (potentially) on getting it done in a clinic... that'll be my last resort but I really want the hair on my shaft gone for good!
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Hello Mike, and welcome back. You have received the best and most dependable information. I can only add: be consistent in your restoration, and many of your questions will resolve more easily as you grow new skin.
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Hello Mike, and welcome back. You have received the best and most dependable information. I can only add: be consistent in your restoration, and many of your questions will resolve more easily as you grow new skin.
Thanks, I'm glad to be back! Needless to say, after having my revision surgery and requiring nearly 4 months of recovery, I never want a knife near there again! I'll try to be consistent. From February to March I only tugged for 4 days a week (on average) with days off here and there. Starting in March I got serious, and am tugging on average 6-8 hours a day. I hope this is enough. Sometimes I tug overnight but nocturnal erections usually make the tugger fall off or the pain makes me half consciously remove it so I probably only get 3-4 hours of night time tugging in. I went from a CL-1 to CL-2 or 2.5 in just 2 months so I'm optimistic. Even if progress slows down, once I get flaccid rollover past the corona, that'll be all the motivation I need to keep at it seriously.
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Is there an optimal tension-rest time ratio I should be following? E.g. If I tugged for a total of 8/24 hours, would this be less or more efficient than tugging 16/24 hours?
I can give you one data point and you can draw a line through it in any direction you like.

In 2010 we tried to track a large number of men. They volunteered to keep logs of their tugging hours and carefully measure their skin-tube length improvement. We hoped to correlate tension hours per day with skin length expansion.

Only 25 men completed the 6 month trial so the comparison of "few hours" to "many hours" was not statistically significant. When we lumped all 25 together, they averaged 11 hours per day under tension and they improved the Forced Erect Reach http://foreskin-restoration.net/foru...90&postcount=1 of the skin tube by an average of 3mm per month. This was 3 times as high as our predicted result. So now I recommend 10-12 hours of tension per day and tell people to expect 1mm to 3mm improvement per month.

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I want 'some' degree of flaccid overhang, but not too much. Is this attainable using only the original TLC Tugger?
I got the results shown here http://TLCTugger.com/prodTLC.htm with just a strapped tugger.

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I'm not particular about stretching the inner skin, so I won't be needing the TLC-X I think.
Any method can deliver more than enough inner-side tension if you're careful. The difference between the TLC Tugger and the TLC-X is more about flexibility (various tension modes so you'll have fewer excuses to skip a day) and control (gradually lengthen the device as you gain slack so your FFRP http://foreskin-restoration.net/foru...2&postcount=44 is always at the skinny part of the Tugger, for the best shot at a natural looking outcome).

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How long after achieving full coverage does it take for keratinization to go away
If you can force your skin over the glans, you can have 24/7 coverage whenever you want by using a Your-Skin Cone http://TLCTugger.com/YSC-instructions.htm.

-Ron Low
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I can give you one data point and you can draw a line through it in any direction you like.

In 2010 we tried to track a large number of men. They volunteered to keep logs of their tugging hours and carefully measure their skin-tube length improvement. We hoped to correlate tension hours per day with skin length expansion.

Only 25 men completed the 6 month trial so the comparison of "few hours" to "many hours" was not statistically significant. When we lumped all 25 together, they averaged 11 hours per day under tension and they improved the Forced Erect Reach http://foreskin-restoration.net/foru...90&postcount=1 of the skin tube by an average of 3mm per month. This was 3 times as high as our predicted result. So now I recommend 10-12 hours of tension per day and tell people to expect 1mm to 3mm improvement per month.



I got the results shown here http://TLCTugger.com/prodTLC.htm with just a strapped tugger.



Any method can deliver more than enough inner-side tension if you're careful. The difference between the TLC Tugger and the TLC-X is more about flexibility (various tension modes so you'll have fewer excuses to skip a day) and control (gradually lengthen the device as you gain slack so your FFRP http://foreskin-restoration.net/foru...2&postcount=44 is always at the skinny part of the Tugger, for the best shot at a natural looking outcome).



If you can force your skin over the glans, you can have 24/7 coverage whenever you want by using a Your-Skin Cone http://TLCTugger.com/YSC-instructions.htm.

-Ron Low
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Thanks Ron, that was very informative and answered a lot of my questions. I'll stick with the TLC Tugger and aim for 10-12 hours of tugging per day. I forgot to take before pics which I would have posted otherwise, but I was definitely a tight CL-1. I'm already noticing great improvement and slack is bunching up behind the corona. I can't wait to be fully restored (but I know I have to).
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Old April 1st, 2013
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I will just add one thing. As has been pointed out, there are many effective ways to restore, and you need to do some experimenting to find what works for you.

Over on the other board, a number of gentlemen did an experiment similar to Ron's here. The idea was to test if short tension times (20 minutes, twice a day) resulted in good progress. As Ron said, not statistically rigorous and any conclusions are tricky. However, as I recall, all of the men felt that their progress was at least as good as they had gotten with longer time periods under tension, most felt their progress was better.

I myself have tried as close to 24/7 as I could reasonably get, 3-6 hours 4 days a week, and now 15 minutes, twice a day, 5 days a week. I am making faster progress now than with either of the other two regimens.

I am not trying to talk you out of 10-12 hours a day, if that is what you want to try. I have no data that long periods are worse, instead my data suggests that long or short are about equally effective. Just do what you want to do. But I did want to give you some other information to ponder, in case you want to experiment with different time periods under tension at some point.

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